unitarian universalists; there's a great difference which she's going to explain to us about the top three and unitarian universalists. i put them in the middle ground simply because of something like cups , because they can be- they are so diverse in their beliefs, that sometimes they can be liberal to the point of, legitimizing as it is said in terms of the convention a coven. the coven, we met kate cogen way back sometime in the mythic or ritual dimension, a coven of unitarian universalists pagans. and so that open mindedness can create attention with a dominant society. as certain kinds of fundamentalists christian groups because of intensity of belief can create tension. one example you can-- be the second largest established protestant denomination in the united states, is the southern baptism. you might remember a while back where they came out with one of their conventions statements that women-- i forget exactly what it was but women should be-- should serve their husbands. now a statement like that, as we're struggling as we have so often in this class to rid ourselves of p